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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Theist impose atheism?!?!? Wait what? Atheist have to fight HARD against theism to break free, and some never truly do because the conditioning is so strong. Theist want to KILL atheist in almost every religion, not create them. Theists are all about conforming to the status quo.
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disbelieves
Doesn't believe or DISBELIEVES that god exists. These are NULL statements. They are "I don't believe that" statements. But I guess we need to go back to defining all this crap again.
Thiest
Webster - belief in the existence of a god or gods
Dictionary - belief in the existence of a god or gods (opposed to atheism )
Oxford - Belief in the existence of a god or gods
Free Dictionary - Belief in the existence of a god or gods
Atheist
Webster - a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods
Dictionary - a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
Oxford - A person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods
Free Dictionary - Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
Agnostic
Webster - a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable
Dictionary - a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable
Oxford - A person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.
Free Dictionary - a person who holds that knowledge of a Supreme Being, ultimate cause, etc, is impossible.
I do NOT believe in god, I am an ATHEIST. period. complete freaking stop. I do NOT believe that reality can't be known, or that god(s) is unknowable.
My position is that I don't believe but I'm willing to change my mind if evidence changes my mind. You say that is an agnostic, and yet you also say that "if there was proof, most atheists would likely abandon their belief". If ANYONE is "willfully using the terms incorrectly" it's you.
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I have never said you're agnostic, I said you're an infidel. If you think evidence can arise that would change your mind, you're not agnostic. Agnostics believe that the existence of God and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable. To be an agnostic, you believe no such evidence could ever be found.
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As far as not saying I'm an agnostic... oh really?
You should join the flat earthers they LOVE to lie.
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Atheism doesn't mean you don't believe in ANYTHING, it just means they don't believe in one thing... god(s).
The cognitive bias is strong here...
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At least they have a better grasp of the English language.
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Sorry but still sounds like Abbot and Castelo's "Who's on first?" skit.
A theist believes in god(s) - is on first holding a football yelling; "Touchdown!"
I do not believe they have proof - is on second, confused about the guy on first.
An atheist doesn't believe in god(s) - doesn't know which base he's on, nor what game he's in?
An agnostic doesn't know if there can be proof of god(s) - a spectator who never played sports, nor ever seen a baseball game
or they are unsure about the proof of god(s) - thinks it's hockey, but not sure? The puck and the stick is just way too weird.
but they can believe or not in god(s) regardless - doesn't care one way or another, so just walks around the field aimlessly!?.
You see, you still don't know who's on first? The theist believes in man made gods, .. idols of wood, stone or plastic, yet you are referring to a theist as if he had something to do with the Bible, and our Heavenly Father, our Infinite and Eternal Creator "I Am" revealed in there?
That's like the kid who thinks his father is a plastic toy soldier, and you believe him!? The atheist part of this would be like; you hear the kid claim the plastic toy soldier as his dad, you admit that's what he believes, but then you claim the plastic toy soldier doesn't exist!?
Come on Castelo, get with the game!
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Hello @PotterWatch
Well, .. atheists don't really claim that; they don't believe in "anything", but what they claim is that "gods don't exist", .. even when they know that tens of thousands of them do "exist".
But you're right, if atheists "believe" that gods don't exist, then how the heck would they exist, .. right? Atheists need gods to exist so they could NOT-believe in them! lol
No matter how we throw it, atheism makes no sense.
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@CYDdharta said: It is the same thing to not believe something as it is to believe something is not.
How is that? I mean you could tell me a story that I would not believe, .. but I wouldn't say your story didn't exist?
I had an old car that I didn't believe in (1972 Chevy Vega), so I didn't drive it much. But I would never claim "it was not", .. or that it didn't exist! .. I wish it didn't, but that's not the same.
This is what I've been trying to Convey to Coveny, that not believing in something is still faith, or "belief", .. but it doesn't mean that whatever you don't believe in doesn't exist.
But atheism claims both, that they have no "belief/faith" AND that something they can see, and even buy does not exist either???
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"I don't believe"
You don't believe in what?
"I don't believe in god/gods"
This already proves that you believe in the existence of god/gods because you said "god/gods". You have to have a picture in your mind in what you claim you don't believe in.
"And it's not just that I don't believe in gods, but I don't believe that gods even exist!"
Now if gods really didn't exist, you could neither believe, nor "not believe" in them. Neither theists, nor atheists would even exist, because both need at least one god to believe, or not-believe in.
So, .. to claim that: "you have no faith," and claim that "gods don't exist", you are a double liar.
Liar, liar pant's on fire!
This is where Jesus comes in, you can always repent Coveny! God (not any of the Greek pagan theos/gods) but our Infinite, Eternal Creative Mind/Spirit "I Am", .. your and my Creator, loves you!
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I could just as easily say "I have a theory, cows don't exist, they can't. To be a cow you have to be pink and fluffy and float above blue flowers all the time without expending any energy. Since this is impossible, there cannot be any cows".
Please don't expect me to respond with insults and memes, I don't have time for it.
Please don't expect me to respond to Gish-galloping, I don't have time for it.
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You appear to be very confused about the difference between believing in the existence of gods and believing in the concept of gods.
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Oh and CYDdharta ask him about halloween costumes the mental gymnastics he does on that one is decent.
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Again if you believe in a creator, then you are a theist. If you believe/worship yahweh then you are NO different than millions of other theists who worship yahweh from the bible regardless of if you define yahweh as "infinite, Eternal creative mind/spirit I am". I'm not buying your theist BS, your religion is no different and certainly not any better than any of the other 3,000 that are out there.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Does not having a dog mean that you have a cat?
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Do you believe that I have a dog?
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A belief is a conviction, something you've been convinced of or accepted as truth. Could you answer the question please?
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Yo Joe, OK, so let's see:
Concept:
* an abstract idea; a general notion
* an idea or invention to help sell or publicize a commodity.
Here are some gods for sale,
https://www.google.com/search?q=bronze+or+wooden+gods+for+sale&source=univ&tbm=shop&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDp-DjrefWAhXBwlQKHWw5BtEQsxgIKQ&biw=1422&bih=689
unless you have a different god "concepts" in mind? Tell us about it?
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Tell you what let's define disbelieve... maybe that will help:
Webster - to hold not worthy of belief
Dictionary - to have no belief in
Oxford - Be unable to believe
Free Dictionary - To refuse to believe or accept; reject
Look I enjoy a semantics debate more than most, but you can't make words mean what you want them to mean just because you want to change reality. An athiest is not someone who holds a belief, it is someone who rejects a belief others believe. It is a null value. It is not a belief system. It is not a claim.
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Now your talking. Can you explain/define this "uncreated creator" that theists believe in?
Thanks buddy. Love you man, ...
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Well done sir... well done!!!
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Theist - a belief in god(s)
Atheist - a belief that there are no god(s)
Instead they are defined as
Theist - a beliefe in god(s)
Atheist - a denying or disbelieving in god(s)
If denying and disbelieving are a belief of atheism as you claim why doesn't the definitions portray that? Answer the question...
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https://www.ebay.com/i/263224756943?chn=ps&dispItem=1
Do you still DENY that Harry Potter exist or not?
Coveny - Again if you believe in a creator, then you are a theist.
Depends on the creator. The theists believe in all kinds of creators, not one of them is our Infinite and Eternal Creator "I Am", and I can prove it!?
Coveny - If you believe/worship yahweh then you are NO different than millions of other theists who worship yahweh from the bible regardless of if you define yahweh as "infinite, Eternal creative mind/spirit I am". I'm not buying your theist BS, your religion is no different and certainly not any better than any of the other 3,000 that are out there.
Of course you don't "believe" in what I tell you, because your "belief" is based on Religious indoctrinations, so when the Pope says God is a plastic/wood theos god, then that's what you will stay believing.
It's no use talking to such blind faithed religious people since they all put their religion before using their mind/spirit. Now go run and read your nonexistent Harry Potter books and see what the nonexistent Harry Potter is doing? lol
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LOL, I see Coveny X'd you out. Seems he doesn't "believe" he has a "belief" system? lol
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